Tuesday, April 21, 2009

New meaning to "grab me a cold one"

Yesterday afternoon, the kids and my mom and I were all playing in the living room after naptime when Jack announced he wanted his milk. Because he is growing about an inch a day lately, he can now reach the shelf in the fridge and get his own cup. This is no small feat, as we have a lower freezer door, making the shelf a pretty good stretch for him, but it makes it a lot easier for me to not have to get up off my ass and get his cup for him. Score!

He ran over and opened the door and his movements caught Emmie's attention. She toddled on in to see what was going on and was delighted to find the refrigerator open. She so enjoys checking out the goods and likes the cool breeze on her face. I think she's secretly trying to figure out how to get to the wine, but I'll worry about that when she's taller.

As she walked around the door, I saw Jack get that look in his eye. You know the one, every kid has it. The look that says nothing good can come out of what is about to transpire.

He let her walk a little closer to him and then even guided her in a little closer with his hand on her back. And then he slammed the door on her head.

I screamed and ran the three feet to the fridge where he was standing with a smile on his face and she was sucking air to begin the loudest scream I have ever heard. I grabbed her and told him to get out of the room -- NOW. I was so shaken up by his behavior that I just sat and held Emmie for a few seconds, contemplating what to do.

Immediately after she calmed down, I held him in my lap and asked him why on earth he would have done such a thing? What was he feeling inside when he did that? Didn't he know that was not nice and very dangerous and that he hurt Emmie very badly?

He didn't care. He just laughed and tried to run away from me. My next move was to the computer, where I Googled "violent 3-year-old" and got nothing helpful.

It was then that I noticed a raised, red scratch running from Emmie's ear, down her neck, all the way around to the back of her head. Then I got super pissed. I took her downstairs to show Josh, who told me perhaps I should have been watching them more closely. I'm sorry -- what?

I attended a discipline seminar today and asked specifically what you are supposed to do when your 3-year-old slams your 15-month-old's head in the refrigerator door. The therapist said to calm the child who was hurt and then tell the other child that we don't do that and it's not acceptable. Then, you drop it. No time-out, no yelling, no threats.

Clearly those things have not been working for us either. But how do you let your older one beat the living hell out of your younger one without punishment? How does he learn consequences if all you do is shake your head and say, "No, no. We don't hit. How about a hug?"

Clearly I am simplifying. They say that kids this age are so caught up in wanting their autonomy and imagine someone ordering you around all day and night, telling you when to sleep and when to eat and when to leave the park and when to use the bathroom. You might get pissy too, but at least you have the words to express yourself and to identify your emotions. They don't. Hence, the hell of raising a 3-year-old. So they recommend giving as many choices as possible, being empathetic and redirecting anger when it flares. They believe time-outs only work because you are demonstrating you are bigger and stronger than they are. And in the end, they can't differentiate between bad behavior and being a bad person. So they see time-out as something that happened because they are a bad person.

So let's see: no time-out, no yelling, no sending him to his room (they said that will only make his attention-grabbing antics escalate) and no threatening. That's all I got, folks. That's my parenting bag of tricks. Have any of you had experience -- good or bad -- with Positive Discipline or Gentle Discipline? Please do share!

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14 Comments:

Blogger Hettie said...

I got nuthin'.

It's hard for me to imagine what I would do in your shoes because my 3-year-old hellion is the younger sibling, but I think it definitely would have involved a timeout and probably the loss of some dear possession for a few days.

I realize these tactics have no effect on Jack. They have no effect on Nora either, so I'm sure I'd be in just your position if she had a little brother or sister to push around, literally.

FWIW, I think you did just the right thing by sitting him down for a serious conversation.

April 21, 2009 10:12 PM  
Blogger MamaJoss said...

Oooh...thanks for letting me know it's not about to get any better for me. I already have a malicious 20-month-old who is pouncing on my newly-crawling 8-month old...I'm going to be as anxious as you are to see what your readers give you here. Love you blog! Hope her little head is better :(

April 21, 2009 10:35 PM  
Blogger angie said...

I am generally against spankings, but I believe there are times that it's warranted. And this is one of them! He *laughed*?? I don't think I could keep my cool at that point. He's three, he knows what he did was wrong. I think a time-out and maybe a little yelling are appropriate responses to violent behaviour! (Not saying Jack is violent in general, just that he was in this incident).

I really don't agree with that therapist. It's ok to put a kid in time-out, and emphasise that you are bigger and stronger - and will make them behave!! We're not programmed to be nice to each other, we have to learn it. Sometimes kids need some muscle (not literally) behind the rules to show them you mean business.

April 21, 2009 11:35 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

oh my, he's premeditating his crimes now. If that were Ethan, he would definitely have gotten a time out and a discussion afterwards about why we don't do things like that and how would he have liked it if Jordyn did that to him. At the age of 3, he does understand good/bad. 3 yrs old was my toughest time with Ethan. There were days I wanted to run and hide. But as mentioned in past comments, he is 5 now and a true joy to be around. I think even at 4 he started turning the corner. Just keep doing what you're doing, it does sink in eventually.

April 22, 2009 12:34 AM  
Blogger Stacia said...

I must be channeling you. While reading your blog is funny, it also makes me nervous because my girls are younger than Jack. I'm getting a sense of impending doom while I sympathize with you and get a good chuckle in at the same time.

April 22, 2009 1:12 AM  
Blogger tutugirl1345 said...

Wow. Just Wow.

I'm not a mom, but I will say that my father spanked me exactly once when I was little (not hard- the actual act of being spanked was enough). And it scared me enough that when I thought about doing something bad I didn't do it again. I know people are against it because a pattern is considered abuse. But you have to consider Emmie's safety too, and it just might work.

April 22, 2009 10:07 AM  
Blogger Kerri said...

Positive or Gentle Discipline?? Give me a break. You know why we didn't slam our siblings heads in refrigerators? Because we knew our parents were going to kick our asses. I'm so tired of all these stupid ways of "disciplining children". I give time outs for small misbehavings. If I saw my kid slam his baby sister's head in the fridge, you better believe my kid would get a spanking that would be etched on his brain. I like to show my kid that it hurts when you hit. If he were to hit me, I hit him just the same.

April 22, 2009 10:38 AM  
Blogger lonek8 said...

honestly - I completely understand your confusion. With a three month old my hands are typically full of baby, leaving me without the ability to leap to the rescue when my 3 year old or 18 month old begin doing something wrong. As such I had quite a few issues from the oldest (dumping the potty chair on the carpet for example - lovely). When gettng angry and punishing with time outs didn't work, I decided to stop rewarding the bad behavior with attention and I just explain that it is unacceptable and go about calmly correcting the problem. And so far I haven't had any issues in about three weeks. And while I thought holding in my anger would cause me to eventually combust, actually acting calm helps keep me calm so I'm not as stressed out at th eend of the day. bonus!! So even though it goes against every natural insinct, I guess gentle discipline works pretty well. As for bad behavior from my 18 mo old, he doesn't really respond to any sort of discipline yet - he's too little to understand punishment or what I'm saying, so i just tryy to remove him from teh situation when he starts hitting or kicking. And I have found that using my 3 yer old as the police has helped when I leave the room. Now instread of coming back in to find out he's doing something he's not allowed to, I can come running to the sounds of "mommy, jack's being bad." Who thought I'd ever love a tattle tale?

April 22, 2009 11:14 AM  
Blogger Marnie said...

There should be no ass kicking! My nephew is too cute for that. Well so is Emmie, but Jack has not realized this yet. Spanking will only show him that hitting is acceptable behaviour. Do what I say not what I do? I like lonek8's response. He just wants attention. You pulling him on your lap afterwards is giving him attention. Saying 'not acceptable' and walking away, may help him learn that violence will not get him attention.

Obviously, take my advice for however you want it, raising a dog is much different than the kids :) But I know Jack, and he likes attention...

April 22, 2009 1:28 PM  
Blogger Baby James said...

Hmm. Toughie. I poisoned my sister with battery acid when I was 4 years old. Looking back, on what I remember of the incident, I just wanted to see what happened, but I was smart enough not to want to drink it myself. I think he should go into time-out for deliberately hurting his sister. He will at least get the message that it isn't ok to do that. I don't think harsher punishment is necessary, not at this age, because they are still sorting out what consequences to actions are. If he gets that a consequence of slamming his sister's head is time out, maybe he will get it. I don't think those "discipline" people know anything. Knowing, at 4, that something hurt my sister would not have registered on my radar like a time out. Does that make sense?

April 22, 2009 3:01 PM  
Blogger FamilyIgloo said...

I strongly agree with this comment: "I am generally against spankings, but I believe there are times that it's warranted. And this is one of them!"

April 22, 2009 4:18 PM  
Blogger Jo said...

I have a 3 yo boy and he does stupid stuff like that all the time. One exception, his sister is older than him but she knows not to retaliate... I digress.

We use time out as a "break". If he does something that hurts someone, he has to take a break in the quiet spot. He can come out when he is ready to apologize specifically. "I'm sorry I hurt your head." It took a while but he doesn't do that stuff quite as often anymore and he doesn't fight the break anymore. He's 3 1/2 now.

I think the apology was harder to learn than the time out procedures, but it means more as he grows.

April 24, 2009 9:15 AM  
Blogger Lindsay Spencer said...

Wow, I don't think I agree with the therapist either. I think kids need boundaries, and are happier when they have them. I think when you let them know how serious you are(with a small spanking *gasp*) they understand that wrong choices cause CONSEQUENCES!! I can't figure out why society is telling us to teach our children that there is NO consequence for wrong actions. What will they do when they become teenagers and even adults and we haven't taught them that there are good and BAD consequences to our actions and choices? I appreciate how my parents raised me, and how they punished me and taught me that there is ALWAYS a consequence to everything I do.

I hope you get it figured out, and it works for whats best for YOUR son. Every child is different. Not one single person in this world knows your own child better than you. You're the best judge for what they need.

April 26, 2009 1:48 PM  
Blogger Young Mama Rae said...

Amy, check out my post regarding parental dicipline systems. This really worked for my son when he was Jack's age, and we still use it. youngmamarae.blogspot.com

April 29, 2009 3:49 PM  

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